Conflict is natural.. reasonable resolution the challenge
Like many I imagine, I watched from a far, this past weekends events in NV around the Bundy ranch, their fight with the BLM ( Fed agency ) and the growth and then dissipation, of turmoil, conflict.
Understanding there was, most likely, so much I wasn't being told, so much more information behind the scenes, I made every effort to withhold judgement, avoid being drawn in, taking a stand.
A FB friend of mine, I'll call X, posted this, with the link I'll provide as well, to Glenn Beck's segment on it. Normally, I wouldn't share the link from Mr B, for as you'll see from my responses to X's post, however, the content is good, and surprisingly, although I may not agree with GB's source for his position, I do agree with the underlying point. Peaceful resolution is the best. I captured the text of the back and forth here:
First, X's language accompanying his link:
"For the past couple of years I have purposely avoided posting articles that are political in nature because I would rather focus on what we have in common rather than what we disagree on, I see the Kingdom of God as vastly more important than political opinions. Why then am I posting a Glenn Beck video you may ask, this is NOT a political post, I believe that in this message he is displaying the answer from Heaven regarding our current political climate. Yes I know that Glenn Beck and I have vastly different theological views as well. Like him, love him, hate him, agree, disagree... it dose not matter, please watch this, I really believe that this is Heaven's perspective on politics and the news of today."
the GB Link: http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=32078049
I watched it, despite my apprehension, and again, regardless of his religious point, I had to agree with GB's position: Peaceful resolution must be our goal. Here are my posts in response to X: (with some edits to clean up punctuation, etc)
Thank you X, for your call on this. My natural response is to ignore, as I generally find mr beck distasteful, misleading, incendiary. But because you asked politely with passion, I listened anyway. Ill be clear: I am deeply agnostic. I am not inclined to be persuaded or affected by religion, scripture, etc. I doubt the existence of god, at least the god that has been so aggressively sold to me across my life. and yet, I am sober, i pray everyday, for many reasons, but most simply, because I am 20 years sober now, and believe my prayers have been a important part of that.
As you know from being my friend, I post a great many things, in the general spirit of challenging authority, demanding accountability of government, etc. Many try to trivialize me by calling a conspiracy theorist. so be it. it is naive to imagine a world without conspiracy, as people will and do, act in their own self interests. I prefer the term realist, as I find these truths, to be self evident. Man is just not that evolved. Most conflicts are solved with violence only. On rare occasions, a few real leaders, have been able to summon a peaceful resolution. Dr. King, Ghandi, etc.
I admire Mr Beck's call to peace here. For me, not because of his scriptural references, although I celebrate within him, that which serves him best.. (I am not against people's right to believe and follow what works for them. I'm not here to mock anyone with my professions ) So, although I am not yet convinced that humans are evolved enough to see that there is a better way, I do still have hope, I have a goal, love. If god for me, is merely good orderly direction, that is enough, to step back from emotion, reaction, violence, and choose reason and love as the solution.
Turns out, some very good simple research has brought light to the corruption behind this escalation.. corrupt players ie fed and local gov have selfish intents for the land.
http://youtu.be/HFiosLqjoQQ
In the end, god, whatever that means to whoever, for me is about love. forgiveness. consideration and reconsideration, prayerful thoughtful application. Mr Beck is correct, in that any flashpoint such as this event, generally has hidden players, attempting to create something that serves their agenda. In this case, violent escalation serves many with selfish, dark intent. Thank you! sorry for the long post, and again, I only seek to be honest and share, without judgement, I do not want to offend. thank you.
And I acknowledge X for his thoughtful and tolerant response:
Donald Turner thank you for sharing from your heart, I really appreciate that. I think you have
discovered something profound about the character and nature of God, even if you do not yet fully comprehend it; it is the very thing that I agree the most with most atheists. That is that the wicked Zeus like judgmental, obey me or burn forever god that most of religion portrays is a phony. The true nature if God is love... That is a real good place to start
Very refreshing! I was sincere and honest, and he responded in kind.
So, here I am. Reconsidering. I had become fairly convinced as of late that mankind and womankind, are just not that evolved, just not capable of a reasonable response to difficult circumstances. I decided the world needs more "punch in the face" accountability. That there are too many lawyers, too many options to avoid accountability, to sue, to hide behind legal definitions of "is". Grrrr
Honestly, I believe in the power of love. Although I don't believe in a god as religions sell it, I believe in Love. I believe in good orderly direction. While we as a species may as of yet be less inclined to follow the underpinnings of love, I do still aspire to it.
So with the Bundy situation, there appears to be hidden motives, selfish interests at play, I don't believe violent provocation will serve us. I believe we can develop and apply, accountability, without regressing back to our most organic response. While I still cling to the idea, that we need more immediate accountability, sometimes a punch in the face, on larger issues, I believe we can overcome, that we can call out change, without resorting to animals.
It is my desire that I must drive home, constantly, continually, reasonable resolutions. Hold those that would have us kill, accountable for their ignorance, their bloodlust, and stay the course for calm, reasonable, solutions. There are so many "issues" in today's world, many that drive folks to the breaking point. But coming together, to live in communities, in societies, I also must know, I surrender some of the privacies, some of the ability to demand outcomes without compromise. Compromise is the spirit of intention, of community, of society. I must stand on principle when agitated to more baser response. Any voice that attempts to destroy compromise is a call back to the caves, to the plains tribes, fight or die. I can evolve past this state. But I must practice at it, I must look within, I must see myself honestly, and be prepared to calmly challenge those that destroy us.
Understanding there was, most likely, so much I wasn't being told, so much more information behind the scenes, I made every effort to withhold judgement, avoid being drawn in, taking a stand.
A FB friend of mine, I'll call X, posted this, with the link I'll provide as well, to Glenn Beck's segment on it. Normally, I wouldn't share the link from Mr B, for as you'll see from my responses to X's post, however, the content is good, and surprisingly, although I may not agree with GB's source for his position, I do agree with the underlying point. Peaceful resolution is the best. I captured the text of the back and forth here:
First, X's language accompanying his link:
"For the past couple of years I have purposely avoided posting articles that are political in nature because I would rather focus on what we have in common rather than what we disagree on, I see the Kingdom of God as vastly more important than political opinions. Why then am I posting a Glenn Beck video you may ask, this is NOT a political post, I believe that in this message he is displaying the answer from Heaven regarding our current political climate. Yes I know that Glenn Beck and I have vastly different theological views as well. Like him, love him, hate him, agree, disagree... it dose not matter, please watch this, I really believe that this is Heaven's perspective on politics and the news of today."
the GB Link: http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=32078049
I watched it, despite my apprehension, and again, regardless of his religious point, I had to agree with GB's position: Peaceful resolution must be our goal. Here are my posts in response to X: (with some edits to clean up punctuation, etc)
Thank you X, for your call on this. My natural response is to ignore, as I generally find mr beck distasteful, misleading, incendiary. But because you asked politely with passion, I listened anyway. Ill be clear: I am deeply agnostic. I am not inclined to be persuaded or affected by religion, scripture, etc. I doubt the existence of god, at least the god that has been so aggressively sold to me across my life. and yet, I am sober, i pray everyday, for many reasons, but most simply, because I am 20 years sober now, and believe my prayers have been a important part of that.
As you know from being my friend, I post a great many things, in the general spirit of challenging authority, demanding accountability of government, etc. Many try to trivialize me by calling a conspiracy theorist. so be it. it is naive to imagine a world without conspiracy, as people will and do, act in their own self interests. I prefer the term realist, as I find these truths, to be self evident. Man is just not that evolved. Most conflicts are solved with violence only. On rare occasions, a few real leaders, have been able to summon a peaceful resolution. Dr. King, Ghandi, etc.
I admire Mr Beck's call to peace here. For me, not because of his scriptural references, although I celebrate within him, that which serves him best.. (I am not against people's right to believe and follow what works for them. I'm not here to mock anyone with my professions ) So, although I am not yet convinced that humans are evolved enough to see that there is a better way, I do still have hope, I have a goal, love. If god for me, is merely good orderly direction, that is enough, to step back from emotion, reaction, violence, and choose reason and love as the solution.
Turns out, some very good simple research has brought light to the corruption behind this escalation.. corrupt players ie fed and local gov have selfish intents for the land.
http://youtu.be/HFiosLqjoQQ
In the end, god, whatever that means to whoever, for me is about love. forgiveness. consideration and reconsideration, prayerful thoughtful application. Mr Beck is correct, in that any flashpoint such as this event, generally has hidden players, attempting to create something that serves their agenda. In this case, violent escalation serves many with selfish, dark intent. Thank you! sorry for the long post, and again, I only seek to be honest and share, without judgement, I do not want to offend. thank you.
And I acknowledge X for his thoughtful and tolerant response:
Donald Turner thank you for sharing from your heart, I really appreciate that. I think you have
discovered something profound about the character and nature of God, even if you do not yet fully comprehend it; it is the very thing that I agree the most with most atheists. That is that the wicked Zeus like judgmental, obey me or burn forever god that most of religion portrays is a phony. The true nature if God is love... That is a real good place to start
Very refreshing! I was sincere and honest, and he responded in kind.
So, here I am. Reconsidering. I had become fairly convinced as of late that mankind and womankind, are just not that evolved, just not capable of a reasonable response to difficult circumstances. I decided the world needs more "punch in the face" accountability. That there are too many lawyers, too many options to avoid accountability, to sue, to hide behind legal definitions of "is". Grrrr
Honestly, I believe in the power of love. Although I don't believe in a god as religions sell it, I believe in Love. I believe in good orderly direction. While we as a species may as of yet be less inclined to follow the underpinnings of love, I do still aspire to it.
So with the Bundy situation, there appears to be hidden motives, selfish interests at play, I don't believe violent provocation will serve us. I believe we can develop and apply, accountability, without regressing back to our most organic response. While I still cling to the idea, that we need more immediate accountability, sometimes a punch in the face, on larger issues, I believe we can overcome, that we can call out change, without resorting to animals.
It is my desire that I must drive home, constantly, continually, reasonable resolutions. Hold those that would have us kill, accountable for their ignorance, their bloodlust, and stay the course for calm, reasonable, solutions. There are so many "issues" in today's world, many that drive folks to the breaking point. But coming together, to live in communities, in societies, I also must know, I surrender some of the privacies, some of the ability to demand outcomes without compromise. Compromise is the spirit of intention, of community, of society. I must stand on principle when agitated to more baser response. Any voice that attempts to destroy compromise is a call back to the caves, to the plains tribes, fight or die. I can evolve past this state. But I must practice at it, I must look within, I must see myself honestly, and be prepared to calmly challenge those that destroy us.
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